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Part III
Chapter 13: Crazy Plans

He was in a hospital, running through the corridors looking for Amy. If he didn't find her soon, he'd be too late. For what, he didn't know; all he knew was that he needed to hurry. He pulled open door after door, but it was never Amy screaming in labour behind them. It was always some other woman, some still in labour, others holding their newborn infants. Doctors and midwives glanced up in irritation, not mollified by his hasty apologies.

He'd checked every door there was, and now the neon-lit corridor stretched on endlessly. Right at the end there was a big heavy double door with two round panes in it, the kind of door that led to operation theatres. It was quiet behind the door, no high pitched screaming, no soothing murmurs, no baby's wails, yet he knew that Amy and the baby must be behind that door. He pushed it open.

It was a huge OT, more of an arena, really, with an observation gallery running all round it. But other than the table at the centre it was empty. The table itself was covered with the detritus of an operation; scalpels, tweezers and needles lay haphazardly among swabs, bloodied green sheets were bunched up at one end. On a rotating stool next to the table sat House, the 'old' House with stubble on his chin and an air of melancholy, twirling his cane as he spun gently to and fro.

"Where's Amy?" he yelled at House. "Where's my baby?"

"Your baby?" House let out a snort of derision. "You had a tumour, Wilson, not a parasite. But we got all of it."

He held up a glass filled with a clear liquid. In it swam a foetus.

He sat up straight in bed, clutching his chest. He was damp, his forehead clammy, his lungs tight with apprehension – and with the 'parasite' that was taking over his chest cavity. He waited for a few minutes, but his breathing still didn't ease. Instead, he was racked by a bout of coughing.

This couldn't continue. In between coughs he pushed off his covers and rotated his legs over the side of the bed. Everything was still a bit unfamiliar; although the apartment mirrored Cuddy's upstairs, he had the master bedroom here and House the guest room. When he tried to slip his feet into his slippers, one of them slid under the bed instead of onto his foot. He sighed and gave up.

The living room was dark, but a flicker of white light indicated that Pete was in there, either watching television or napping in front of the screen. The amputation hadn't changed his sleep patterns; according to Wilson's estimate he got as much sleep from his intermittent naps on various chairs, settees and couches as he got in the four or so hours he actually spent in bed. Wilson managed to contain his cough until he had reached the kitchen, but then another bout made him double over and collapse into one of the chairs. When he looked up again wheezing, House was framed in the doorway, silently watching him. Wilson lowered his eyes as he got up to get a glass and fill it at the faucet. When he turned around again, House had disappeared. Wilson sighed. He still hadn't gotten used to how quickly and silently House could move with his prosthetic.

He followed him into the living room. The first thing House had done when they'd moved in two days ago was to replace the tiny television set with a state-of-the-art flatscreen. The programme he was watching, an old western, didn't do the screen justice, but judging by House's set expression he wasn't really riveted by the lone rider galloping between rocks and giant cacti. (House would know what they were called.)

Wilson sat down gingerly beside him, hoping that an upright position would ease the pressure on his oesophagus. House stubbornly stared at the screen, his mouth in a hard, straight line and a crease of annoyance between his brows.

"One round, just one round of neo-adjuvant chemo!" House had yelled at him earlier in the kitchen, thrusting a sheaf of print-outs at him. "It should shrink the tumour enough to make it operable."

"And if it doesn't?" he had asked.

"Then we revert to Plan A: you come back here to die. You lose nothing."

"I do: a lot of hair," Wilson had quipped to lighten the atmosphere. And a compromised immune system, he had added silently.

"Chicks dig the bald look," House had said. "You'll be warding them off."

"As evidenced by the queue outside your door," he'd said drily, flicking through House's treatment plan. He'd had to hand it to House: it was thoroughly researched, it resorted to the best and most recent drug combinations on the market, and it was daring. Very daring. Too daring.

He had looked up at House. "This … will kill me," he'd said.

House had shrugged. "Maybe. But you're dying anyway, so no difference there."

"Eight months' difference! Maybe even ten."

House's mouth had twitched upward to concede the point, but he hadn't given up the match as lost – as yet. "But if this kills you, it'll be quick and comparatively painless."

"You can't know that."

"If you don't do this, you will definitely die and it will definitely be painful! There's only so much that morphine can do."

Wilson had looked at the words and numbers – cetuximab, cisplatin, dixorubicin, prednisone with their respective dosages – until they'd swum before his eyes. Then he'd thrust the papers aside.

"I'm not doing it," he'd said.

They hadn't talked the rest of the evening.

Now Wilson said, "How much do you estimate this will shrink the tumour?"

House slowly turned his head to look at him. "Thirty percent. Thirty-five, if we're very lucky."

Wilson felt a pang of disappointment that he couldn't quite place; the numbers corresponded with Wilson's estimate, and had House named a higher number he'd have called him on his bullshit. Yet in some dark, hidden corner of his mind he must have been hoping that House would pull a miracle cure out of his sleeve that would trump all Wilson's knowledge and experience.

"No surgeon will resection the tumour unless it shrinks to about half its present size," he said.

"Chase has agreed to excise it if we can shrink it by thirty percent," House said.

Chase was either incredibly stupid or deliberately misinformed.

"Has he seen the scans?" Wilson asked. House was quite capable of keeping such trivial little details as the tumour's present size from Chase.

"Yep," House said.

Stupid it was, then. Or House was blackmailing him.

"Okay," Wilson said slowly. "O-kay. I'll do it."

House pumped his fist in the air.


"This is crazy!" Cuddy said. She didn't know who to take apart first, so she chose the default option, Pete. "Was this your idea?"

Pete was stretched out comfortably on the couch of the downstairs apartment, the one that Cuddy already thought of as 'Wilson's'. "The chemo regime? Yeah, that's all mine," he said with his usual mixture of arrogance and pride. "The do-it-yourself stratagem is all Wilson's, though."

She swung around to impale Wilson with her glare.

Wilson raised his hands defensively. "I don't want to be hospitalised," he said.

"Right, you'd prefer to die in my place," she said.

"Our place. The upstairs is your personal space, the downstairs our personal space," Pete said, drawing imaginary 'personal space' circles first around Cuddy and then around himself and Wilson.

She wanted to slap him. Wilson grinned.

"How's this supposed to work?" she asked.

"We have meds in the fridge and lots 'n lots of puke potties." Pete leaned sideways, dangling an arm over the armrest of the couch. Pulling an emesis basin out of a huge shopping bag, he brandished it like a shield. "Then there's Depends, …" He dug around in the bag again.

"Shut up, House!" Wilson said, looking uncomfortable.

Cuddy wasn't amused. "What happens when his white blood count drops?"

Pete pulled out sterile gloves, face masks, and a bottle of disinfectant.

Cuddy sat down opposite the two men and leaned forward. "I don't know what fairy tales you've been telling yourselves, but with the kind of chemo that you're proposing Wilson won't be able to fend off the common cold, let alone pneumonia. Wilson, this is stupid!"

"I'd rather die in my own four walls than in a hospital," Wilson said, not looking Cuddy in the eye.

"Fine! I get that. But what do you gain if you cure your cancer, but die of an infection instead?"

Wilson was silent.

Cuddy took this to mean that he concurred with her. She stood up. "Right. I'll phone Pearson and get you admitted."

"Cuddy, that isn't going to work."

She halted, her phone already in her hand.

Wilson tapped the paper outlining the chemo regime that Pete had worked out. "No oncologist is going to prescribe this regime. Hell, no licensed physician can support this. The watered-down version that's being tested in Germany hasn't got FDA approval for testing as yet; anyone who tries this out on a patient will have to deal with a medical malpractice inquiry. There's no way your oncology department will agree to do this."

Cuddy opened her mouth to contradict Wilson, but then she shut it again. He was right. At PPTH the staff would have gone through the fire for him, the oncology department would have followed his instructions, Pete would have manipulated and lied his way through any questions, and no one would have been the wiser. But here Wilson was practically a stranger, and she didn't as yet command the loyalty of her staff the way she had done at PPTH. No, even if she found an oncologist who was prepared to do her and Wilson's bidding, there'd be a leak, and then there'd be an inquiry, and that would be the end of her medical career.

She bit her lip. "Then … then don't do this."

"Exactly!" Pete interposed. "Die a slow, miserable death instead!"

She shushed him with a wave of her hand without moving her focus from Wilson. "Do a normal course: four to six cycles," she said.

"We've been over this, Cuddy," Wilson said. "Any reasonable course with multiple cycles will take months. I don't want that; I want to be around when my child is born."

Cuddy turned to Pete again. "And you're okay with this?"

Pete's mouth twitched, showing that he wasn't 100% happy. "It's risky, but – yeah, I'm okay with it if he is. It's his choice, Lisa."

That was rich, coming from him! "Since when do you advocate letting people do stupid things that'll kill them?" she asked.

"I owe him," Pete said, his eyes clear and guileless. "He helped me nuke my brain and I'm happy now." He scratched his chin. "Happy within reason," he amended, "so in return, I'll help him nuke his tumour."

This was … surreal. Where was House, the man who fought tooth and nail to keep his patients alive? Who the hell was this pod person?

"If he dies, you'll get tossed into jail," she finally said, not even hoping that this would convince Pete. It was more a prediction that would allow her to say, 'I told you so!' when the inevitable happened. She added as an afterthought, "We'll get tossed into jail."

She couldn't afford to do this. Pete, with his amnesia and lack of a medical licence, might be able to talk his way out of legal consequences, but as a licensed physician who had to make responsible medical decisions every day, she wouldn't be able to plead ignorance. She'd lose her licence and her job, and if Wilson's family decided to sue, …

She decided not to follow that line of thought.

"I'm out," she said. "I'm not doing this."

Pete wasn't put out in the least. "We can manage on our own," he said smugly. "We don't need you to mother us. Go back to your kid, Lisa. Smother her in superfluous affection!"

Now that was the House she'd known before his brain surgery – sharp and precise as he poked his stick into open wounds. He knew how she felt about neglecting Rachel; did he have to bring it up again and again?

She silently willed him to take it back or at least to mitigate the harshness of his words by some conciliatory gesture, but he smiled at her without warmth.

"Shoo!" he said. "Go! The quicker you're gone, the sooner we can start."

She turned on her heel to leave.

As she reached the door she heard Pete say to Wilson (she'd bet her favourite pair of heels that she was meant to overhear him), "It's more fun without her, anyway. I doubt she wants to watch Horny Housewives of Houston."


She managed to ignore the goings-on three floors below her for a sum total of three-and-a-half days.

"Isn't Wilson cooking today?" Rachel asked when she came into the kitchen on the fourth day.

"No, dear," Cuddy answered, ignoring Rachel's frown of disapproval as she placed a plate of lentil stew in front of her.

"He didn't cook yesterday either, or the day before," Rachel grumbled. "He hasn't even been here."

"He won't be here for some time now, honey. He's getting treatment for his cancer."

"Oh, has Pete found a cure?" Rachel said brightly.

Cuddy pressed her lips together before forcing a smile onto her face. "He thinks he has," she said, exercising rigorous self-control so that no hint of irony entered her voice. Rachel had developed basic skills in detecting irony recently, possibly as a result of spending too much time around Pete.

"Oh, goody! Wilson says he's the best doctor in the world."

"Yes, he is," Cuddy said, thankful that they were on more solid ground here.

Rachel poked at the food on her plate. "When will Wilson come home?"

Cuddy was speechless. That Rachel believed that Wilson was being treated in hospital didn't surprise her; Rachel, having spent the best part of a year there herself, automatically assumed that everyone with medical issues had to get in-house treatment. But since when did Rachel consider their house Wilson's home?

And how would Rachel react if Wilson died of the side effects of his chemo treatment?

Cuddy, who had been eating assiduously in order to set a good example, put down her fork. (Rachel, sensing that the door to avoiding the meal was opening a crack, promptly put down her fork too.) So far, she had been working off the premise that she shouldn't allow Wilson to kill himself for his own sake. Now it struck her that she also had an obligation towards Rachel to keep him alive if possible.

Rachel had few adults in her life. There was Julia, of course, and her husband Rob, but although they were on talking terms again, visits were fewer in number than they had been before Julia had found out that House was back in their lives. It wasn't that Julia and Rob bore her ill feelings (nor would she blame them if they did); it was more that circumstances dictated that they see each other less. Her mother was living with Julia's family now, and unlike her younger daughter she refused to tiptoe around the elephant in the living room. No, her mother insisted on tweaking its ears, pulling its tail, and pouring pepper down its trunk at every opportunity. Julia said tolerantly that it was a sign of old age, but Cuddy couldn't remember a time when her mother hadn't been like this. The only sign of old age that she could detect was that Arlene Cuddy no longer felt obliged to camouflage her vindictiveness under a layer of maternal concern.

Oh, and there was Rachel's birth father, Simon, but so far his interest in Rachel had been minimal. His parents thankfully colluded with Cuddy to keep this unpleasant truth from Rachel by sending her birthday and Christmas presents in his name, but that didn't mean that Rachel felt any sort of attachment to a man (read: man-child) who she'd met twice in her entire life.

That only left Wilson.

Another unpleasant thought struck Cuddy: what if Wilson died and Rachel discovered that he'd passed away in an apartment right below her feet, so to say? There was no knowing how she'd react. Would she ever be able to pass the front door of the first floor apartment without thinking of Wilson? Would she fear that if Wilson died in this house, so could she or her mother?

House had forced her to uproot her family and start afresh; there was no way that Wilson would do the same! She wasn't going to move again, not if she could avoid it.

Giving up all pretence of eating, Cuddy pushed her plate away. "Rachel, would you mind staying at someone else's place for a few days?" she asked.

"Why?" Rachel asked suspiciously.

"Pete will need some help with Wilson," Cuddy said. "Wilson is going to be very weak and feverish."

"I can help," Rachel said.

"And he's going to be puking all the time," Cuddy added.

Rachel promptly back-pedalled. "Can I stay with Emma?" she asked.

"Let's see," Cuddy said. Palming Rachel off on her best friend Emma would be the best solution to her childcare problems. Emma and Rachel attended the same school, so Cuddy wouldn't need to bother about organising drop-offs and pick-ups.

But Emma's parents declined politely. They were off on a family gathering the coming weekend and still had preparations to make. They were sorry, but this week was an absolute no-go.

Cuddy got that. She'd gotten used to the inconveniences of living with a child with a major disability, but she still remembered those first weeks and months when she'd adjusted their lives to fit around Rachel's wheelchair. She had rearranged their furniture (so that Rachel could get everywhere in a wheelchair and everything Rachel needed was at waist level) and her schedule (so that she had an extra hour in the morning and fifteen minutes in the evening to assist Rachel when she got ready). She routinely planned in extra time for every commute (Rachel needed to be helped in and out of the car and her wheelchair had to be folded and placed in the trunk). She had learned the hard way that locations had to be sussed out beforehand to make sure they were wheelchair-accessible in every respect.

But families who weren't used to such measures regularly got wrong-footed when they offered to take Rachel for the day. Most of her friends who offered to take Rachel assumed that a car with a big trunk for the wheelchair and a strong guy to heave Rachel in and out of it would do the job. Cuddy had lost count of the number of times that she'd picked Rachel up from friends whose strained smiles belied their protestations that the day had been lovely and stress-free. On the ride home Rachel would inevitably tell tales of movies or plays missed because her hosts had miscalculated the time required to get a disabled child to the theatre, of fun parks that were wheelchair accessible but didn't allow disabled children on most of the rides, of museums that were so crowded that they'd had to wait ten minutes to access the elevator every time they wanted to go to the next level.

Yes, Cuddy could understand why Emma's parents didn't need Rachel around when they were already on a tight schedule.

Her next-door neighbour Louisa was good as a last-minute stop-gap, but the fact that she lived in the same house and shot her mouth off about everything, even in front of Rachel, disqualified her in this instance. If Wilson died in the downstairs apartment, she'd never stop talking about it; expecting her to shield Rachel from the knowledge was like placing a drug addict in the hospital pharmacy and hoping they wouldn't help themselves.

That left Julia in Princeton. She wasn't Cuddy's preferred option, because Rachel would miss school. Nor would Julia be enthusiastic about having Rachel under her feet all day when her children were in school, but that wasn't Cuddy's problem.

Julia's lack of enthusiasm, however, stemmed from quite a different source.

"I'm sorry Wilson has taken a turn for the worse," she said when Cuddy phoned her to give her the Spark Notes version of what was going on, a version that focused on Wilson's suffering, omitting all references to non-FDA-approved treatment options. Julia paused, then she said, "Where is House?"

"House?" Cuddy echoed to buy time.

"Yes, House! Lisa, you don't expect me to believe that House isn't involved in Wilson's health care, do you? He's at your place, isn't he?"

"No, he's got a place of his own," Cuddy said, glad that she needn't lie about that and even gladder that Julia didn't know where that place was.

Julia cleared her throat, a sure sign that she was about to say something that wouldn't go down well. "Lisa, I'm not getting involved in anything that features Greg House, even if he's only playing a minor role. We agreed that you wouldn't bring Rachel to me so you can see him."

"Julia, I'm not 'seeing' him! He's here solely because of Wilson, and we aren't interested in each other in that way!"

"I'm sorry, but you are totally unpredictable with regard to House. I don't care what you call your present relationship, but I want nothing to do with it. Lisa, don't push this, please!"

There was nothing to be done.

After Cuddy hung up, she sat at her desk tapping her nails on its surface. There was one other option …


"Hey, kiddo," Lucas said to Rachel, mussing up her hair. "Long time, no see. You've grown." He picked her up and swung her around. "Whoa, you're heavy!"

Rachel giggled joyfully. "I weigh fifty-five pounds!" she declared proudly.

With Rachel still on his arm, Lucas gave Cuddy a warm hug. "You look great," he said.

"Thanks," Cuddy said drily. She knew she had gained weight in all the wrong places and had bags under her eyes. She retaliated with, "So do you."

Lucas had thickened considerably around the waist – a jaundiced eye might even detect a slight paunch – and his jowls were beginning to sag. In short, he looked the family man that he now was.

"How are Cheryl and the girls?" Cuddy asked.

Lucas put Rachel back into her wheelchair, got out his phone and pulled up some pictures of his pretty young wife and two adorable blonde girls. "There's Cheryl with Lucy, … and here's Marcia. You haven't met Marcia yet, have you, Rachel? She's six months old now." He smiled fondly at his daughter's picture.

"Oh, she's so pretty!" Cuddy gushed, hoping that Rachel wouldn't spoil the moment by saying something incredibly insensitive.

But Rachel merely said, "She's got pretty curls. Lucy looks different."

"That's because she's almost three now, and she was a baby when you last saw her," Lucas said. "I hope you aren't scared of dogs. We've got two now, golden retrievers." He scrolled down some more and then proffered his phone to Rachel.

"Wow, they're cute!" Rachel said with considerably more enthusiasm. "Mom, I want a dog too."

"Let's see," Cuddy said and quickly changed the topic. "Lucas lives in Trenton. That's close to where Julia lives, so you've got a car ride of about an hour. Why don't you get something to read?"

When Rachel was gone, she turned back to Lucas, who had settled himself comfortably on the couch. "And this is really okay with Cheryl?" she asked. Lucas had babysat Rachel a few times before he'd gotten married, but ever since he and Cheryl had started their own family, Cuddy had hesitated to impose on him and he hadn't volunteered of his own accord.

"Sure," he said easily. "What's one more kid when the place is a crazy-house anyway?"

Cuddy decided she didn't really want to know whether Cheryl approved of Lucas's generous offer or not.

"So, to what do I owe the honour?" he asked, his alert eyes belying his relaxed posture. "Don't get me wrong – I'm happy to take Rachel for as long as you like – but since when do you let your kid miss school, and why isn't the intrepid Julia bearing the brunt of whatever crisis you've brought down on yourself?"

Half the truth was better than a full-blown lie. "I'm interim dean, but I've still got my old department to run," Cuddy said, "and it's beginning to get to me. Julia has already got my mother, who is – difficult. So …"

"And this hasn't got anything to do with Wilson's medical file that I 'organised' for House a few months ago? Or that lab technician that I'm still observing for him?"

Cuddy's brain filed the first part of his statement away for later consideration (why on earth was Pete using Lucas's professional services after what Lucas had done to his property not so long ago?) as it attempted to make sense of the second part. "You're observing – who?"

"Oops," Lucas said. "I thought you knew."

Both were silent, eyeing each other warily.

"Tell you what," Lucas finally said. "You ask me no questions, I ask you no questions."

"O-kay," Cuddy said slowly. She badly wanted to know who he was observing and why, but then again, she'd rather not discuss Wilson and Pete with him. Wilson would certainly object, and although Lucas had implied that Pete was employing him in some capacity, that wasn't necessarily the whole truth.

"So, you've got dogs now," she said instead.

"Yes, and a house to go along with them," Lucas said, exuding enthusiasm.

The next thing Cuddy knew, she was looking at pictures of a suburban home with picket fence, green shutters, and a sandbox in the back yard. Then, pictures of the living room, kitchen (complete with all modern amenities), master bedroom, a children's bedroom, another children's bedroom, and a guest room. Of course, the children or the dogs or both featured in every picture.

"It's lovely," she said.

Lucas looked at her knowingly. "No regrets?" he asked.

"No," Cuddy said, "no regrets. It's wonderful, I'm sure, but it's not … me."

"Oh, it's what you wanted," Lucas said. When Cuddy made to protest, he added, "It was just that I wasn't the guy you wanted it with, and the guy you wanted wasn't the guy you could have had this with. So, you ended without the life you wanted and without the guy you wanted."

"But you got what you wanted?" Cuddy retorted.

"Sure," Lucas said. "See, I don't expect perfection. That's why I'm happy and you're always striving."

If she'd ever regretted dumping Lucas in favour of a relationship that had had a sell-by date printed on it, that feeling vanished at his words. She'd almost forgotten that Lucas's teddy bear demeanour and his family man aura covered a vindictive streak a mile long.

She rose hurriedly. "I'll go see what's keeping Rachel," she said.

With Rachel as a shield she settled the last details with Lucas. "I'll pick her up Sunday evening, if that's okay with you."

"She can stay longer, if that's of any help to you," Lucas said.

Cuddy shook her head. She didn't want to be more beholden to Lucas than was strictly necessary (as he probably guessed), but all she said was, "No, she needs to go back to school on Monday at the latest. As it is, I have no idea how I'll sell this to her teachers."

"You can tell them that I have a very important medical check-up because of my disability," Rachel suggested.

Lucas guffawed.

Cuddy blinked. "I'll – think about it," she said. "Now, about catheterisation …"

His look of blank horror eased her heart. Payback time, Lucas Douglas! After a very long half-minute she released him from his anguish.

"She can do it herself, so you won't need to catheterise her." His relief was palpable. "But you need to make sure she does it regularly, every three to four hours. You'll have to remind her to do her bowel programme every morning. It takes her almost an hour, so plan in the time."

"Mo-om!" Rachel squirmed in embarrassment.

"Here, I've got it all written down." She pressed a file with care instructions that she'd compiled for her sister, the babysitter, etc., into Lucas's limp hands.

When Lucas's SUV pulled away from the curb, she heaved a sigh of relief. The longer Lucas had sat in her living room, the more reasons why this was a really crappy idea had occurred to her. Maybe Pete was using Lucas's professional services in some way, but that didn't mean that it was a good idea to entrust anything personal about Pete or Wilson to Lucas. A year ago he'd demolished Pete's property, ostensibly to protect her, but could Lucas separate between Pete the potential abuser and Greg House, the guy who'd supplanted him as Lisa Cuddy's boyfriend? To this day she didn't quite believe Lucas's declaration that he'd had no hand in Pete's subsequent arrest.

She could only hope that Rachel would be too excited by the babies and the dogs to talk about what was going on in the house in Germantown.


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Date: 2014-06-05 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
I still don't get the sense that Cuddy actually likes Wilson. And I am sighing over the fact that she is assuming she can make Wilson survive this treatment.

Also, Cuddy, when someone is doing you a humungous favor, maybe try to be a bit less judgmental of that person, hm?

Date: 2014-06-06 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
I still don't get the sense that Cuddy actually likes Wilson.
Perhaps she doesn't, and to be honest, that isn't an aspect of their relationship that is of particular interest to me. 'Like' isn't a sentiment to which I attach much value. The number of people I would claim to love is eight; of those eight I 'like' two, by which I mean that if there weren't any emotional ties, I wouldn't go out of my way in order to spend time with the other six. Does Wilson like House? I think there are aspects of House's character that he dislikes immensely. IMO he loves House, and that makes the question of whether he likes or dislikes him irrelevant.

And I am sighing over the fact that she is assuming she can make Wilson survive this treatment.
House complained once that she was incapable of seeing the chasm between what was and what could be. So yeah, you're not the first to sigh. Thanks for commenting.

Date: 2014-06-06 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
Thanks for talking about this with me. What is Cuddy's motivation for helping Wilson? I'm clearly missing something; you've tried to explain before but I need more explanation.

I think "like" is a hugely important sentiment for House and Wilson, both in canon and in your fic. Pete's thoughts on how friendship with other people pales in comparison to Wilson was a clear statement of liking. And, yes, Wilson does like House; he wouldn't fly to England multiple times and go off on an extended bike trip with him if he didn't. Not liking certain aspects, yes, but overall he clearly likes House/Pete.

Beyond that, Wilson needs people to like him in order to feel good about himself at all. House/Pete has an internal self-validation mechanism (as messed up as it may be), but Wilson doesn't. Sadly.

Date: 2014-06-07 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
What is Cuddy's motivation for helping Wilson?
In canon Cuddy is repeatedly shown to respect and trust Wilson. She almost invariably takes his advice even when she is of a different opinion (lying to House about his patient at the beginning of S3), she respects his decisions (for instance, when he decides to donate his liver to Tucker), and she goes to him with private problems: he's the first (and possibly only) sperm donor candidate from her circle of acquaintances, he's the one she asks to vouch for her when she wants to adopt, he gets asked to attend Rachel's Simchat Bat as 'part of the ceremony' (I'm taking that to mean that his role is similar to that of a godfather in a Christian baptism). So, I'd say Cuddy flirted with House, but she was friends with Wilson. That's the canon background on which my fic is based. It's a background that is seldom perceived, because most of it takes place off-screen, but that doesn't mean it isn't there.

In my AU that friendship turned sour after Wilson testified for House during his trial, but it picked up again after Wilson got admitted to Mayfield. During his stay at Mayfield, Wilson was over at Cuddy's place every weekend that he had 'stress tests'; he has been visiting her repeatedly over the past months; they had a vacation together over Christmas. You may have perceived it as them visiting House as separate entities, but for all practical purposes Cuddy spent more time with Wilson than with House. Wilson flew over with her, Wilson stayed at the hotel with her, Wilson accompanied her and Rachel to Oxford. And at the end of the visit it's Wilson's contribution to the vacation that Cuddy appreciates, not House's.

I find it interesting that everyone is so fixated either on House/Cuddy or on House/Wilson that no one except for Menolly, who is commenting in private, has noticed that so far I've essentially written a Cuddy/Wilson fic. Were I to switch one of the two (either Wilson or Cuddy) for House, I'd have the perfect shipper fic and people would be squeeing all over my journal about how great they are together. But because Cuddy and Wilson aren't an 'allowed' pairing, no one seems to notice that I've got as much, if not more, personal and affectionate interaction between them as between the two 'allowed' pairings, H/Cu and H/W.

And, yes, Wilson does like House; he wouldn't fly to England multiple times and go off on an extended bike trip with him if he didn't.
And that's probably where you and I will have to agree to differ. Those are things that I do with the people I love, not with the people I like. There will always be people I like, even if the ones who surround me at present should disappear. They are replaceable. The people I love aren't, so I spend planned quality time with them and go on a limb to be with them, even if I don't 'like' them. IIRC Wilson once said that one doesn't get to choose one's friends. That's factually wrong; there's definitely an element of choice there that we don't have regarding our family. So, my interpretation of Wilson's statement (which referred to House) is that House has become 'family' to Wilson, which is why he doesn't feel he has a choice anymore. A friendship can be ended by either side; a blood relationship OTOH persists, even if one or the other side denies it. I believe that Wilson is aware that he is tied to House by something stronger than a mere friendship and that he can't replace House with some other friend if House screws him over or they are separated by time and distance. No matter how much Wilson may dislike House for his actions (and I'm pretty sure he disliked him immensely after S7), he is tied to him the way he is tied to Danny.

Date: 2014-06-07 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
Thank you again for discussing this all with me. I am delighted to hear well-reasoned interpretations that are different from my own.

I agree with you that in canon Cuddy and Wilson are friends and that she trusts him; my issue with it is that I didn't see Cuddy ever really do anything for Wilson. He did a lot for her, but canon never showed her doing things for Wilson, unless it was to somehow benefit House*. You said before that Cuddy in canon sees Wilson as an appendage of House, and that seems right to me.

*I don't count her hugging Wilson during Wilson's Heart, which some do, because that's something most women I know would do for even a stranger.

And that's probably influencing my continued questioning about Cuddy liking Wilson in this fic. I feel like I haven't seen affection from her to him, or even within her own inner thoughts. It's possible I missed it or am just wishing for more. It comes across as Wilson is a problem Cuddy has to take on, or a support resource she's gotten used to having, rather than being someone whose presence she actively enjoys.

Date: 2014-06-07 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] menolly-au.livejournal.com
Sorry for butting in but
I agree with you that in canon Cuddy and Wilson are friends and that she trusts him; my issue with it is that I didn't see Cuddy ever really do anything for Wilson.

Don't you find that in life sometimes relationships can be a little one-sided that way? I have someone that I do a lot for, because I'm in a position to do that, she can't really do anything much for me (because I don't need much) but she gives me her love and affection (and shares her family with me), and we're as close as can be. Wilson is not as needy as House so he doesn't need much actually doing for him - but we see Cuddy comforting him after Amber dies, counselling him about him, and we hear she visited him a couple of times in the months he was off, and phoned him more (and they, according to Lucas, don't mention House at all).

My favourite Cuddy & Wilson moment in this story so far - the scene from the beginning of Chapter Five which ends with this. And incidentally there is a nice contrast with Wilson's friendship with House in the second half of that chapter.



"You put up with us for a whole week without complaint, even though you'd have had a better time without us. I'd never have managed this," Cuddy nods at Rachel who, absorbed in a game, is oblivious to the adults, "without you."

Wilson looks confused. "I'd have had 'a better time without you'? Cuddy, I enjoyed myself. I enjoyed being with you and Rachel. This wasn't a sacrifice!"

"See? Sometimes you don't even notice the good you do for others."


Date: 2014-06-07 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
Joining in is welcome!

I do think there are true and warm friendships that are unbalanced (e.g., House and Wilson in canon) but I get more of a "user" vibe out of Cuddy's relationship to Wilson. It could be me being oversensitive, definitely, but to me, it feels like if Wilson stopped paying attention to Cuddy she would shrug and move on to the next thing. House is important to her; Wilson isn't. And I'm not saying Wilson needs to be important to her, just that doesn't really say "friendship" to me.

So I'm not seeing Cuddy/Wilson as a thing in this fic.

I was happy that Cuddy appreciated Wilson in the scene you wrote, but I feel like she'd say the same thing to Rachel's nanny.

Date: 2014-06-07 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] menolly-au.livejournal.com
The context of that scene though was Cuddy sharing a technique she learnt in therapy with Wilson (who has his own ongoing problems). I'm not sure that Cuddy would share that (or the family warmth in this scene) with the non-existent nanny.

This is the only overt statement that I can think of in the story so far:

"Wilson, you know that Rachel and I love you and would miss you," she said gently.

Everything else is in the actions - 'it's not what you say it's what you do'. Cuddy and Wilson were estranged for years, but Cuddy came to help him when he truly needed it (taking him to Mayfield). She was there for him all the time he was in Mayfield, and in this story she contacts Nolan when he relapses, worries herself sick about his thymoma and tries to reconcile Pete and Wilson because she knows how important that friendship is to both. She lets Wilson crash on her proverbial couch when he needs it. She contacts his work and smooths things over for him, she gets rid of all the alcohol in the house and forbids Pete from buying more. Wilson is family to Cuddy - and she has little of her own family left to her.

(Hmm, when I write that I think it parallels Wilson & House in canon a little bit)

Obviously if you don't see it you don't see it, and the story isn't giving you what you want then nothing anybody says is going to change that but I think it's there, even if it's not given in internal dialogue.

Date: 2014-06-07 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
I read the previous story a while back and probably skimmed some going past what Cuddy did for Wilson in that fic. I'll go and re-read it.

If Cuddy was asked the same question about Wilson that Staines asked her about House, what would she say? Asking both you and Readingrat... and anyone else who feels like answering :)

Date: 2014-06-07 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] menolly-au.livejournal.com
Chapter Nine is the chapter it starts I think. Just to be clear I don't think that there is anything romantic between them in The Kelpie or in this story. There isn't a sexual attraction there (as there is between House & Cuddy). But I do see a warmth there - like I said, more like family at this stage.

Staines to Cuddy about Wilson

Lisa, what are Wilson's strengths?

"He's loyal, to a fault really, he puts others before himself. He's compassionate, empathic, and he's capable of great love. If I'm ever in a hole he'll be there with his hand held out to me. He cares. And he has the most gorgeous chocolate brown eyes, a brilliant sense of humour,and when he smiles he lights up the room." (Okay, that last bit was me :)

Date: 2014-06-08 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
Couldn't have put it better myself. I think 'He cares' summarises Wilson pithily.

Date: 2014-06-08 05:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taiga13.livejournal.com
Late to the party but I'm crashing too... If you follow the canon you don't see Cuddy do much for Wilson, but here's the thing: when did he ever ask her to? One of Wilson's key characteristics is that he almost always keeps his troubles secret. The only person he ever turned to for help, EVER as far as I can recall, is House and even then those instances were rare. House almost always had to suss out for himself that Wilson was having a problem and force Wilson to accept his help/intervention. His marriage failing, affair with a patient, dealing with depression, his brother being found, preparing to give a career-ending speech at a conference... he concealed all of those things from everyone.
Just off the top of my head these are the times Cuddy knew Wilson needed help and how she responded:
The Tritter arc. (I'm not sure it even counts because TPTB pretended afterwards that the whole thing never happened.) Cuddy completely failed him both as a boss and as a friend, but so did everyone else - that was the whole point.
Wilson getting involved with Amber: I think she was trying to be a friend by warning him away from her, even if it was the wrong thing to do.
Amber dying: She was a true friend there. Comforting him, encouraging him to say goodbye, giving him a ridiculous amount of bereavement leave. She couldn't have done anything more for him.
Sam leaving: She gave up her "quality time" with her boyfriend so he could spend time with Wilson. This one actually summarizes the point well. She knew Wilson was lonely, why didn't she offer to spend time with him herself? Because she knew that's not what he wanted.

Date: 2014-06-08 12:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
Thank you; Wilson hiding his problems was the missing piece I had totally left out of my thoughts. I also should remember that canon (other than the "Wilson" episode) almost never showed Wilson interacting with other doctors from the department he ran; we can infer from that that there were plenty of other interactions we didn't see because it didn't have a direct impact on House. So Cuddy could've bought Wilson lunch every Tuesday and we never would've known.

Date: 2014-06-08 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taiga13.livejournal.com
I also should remember that canon (other than the "Wilson" episode) almost never showed Wilson interacting with other doctors from the department he ran; we can infer from that that there were plenty of other interactions we didn't see because it didn't have a direct impact on House.
I do wish we'd seen that, Wilson being a boss. We saw him interact with patients and with Cuddy, but never his staff except for a brief moment during the Wilson episode. If you went by canon he didn't have a staff at all!
ETA now that you mention it I swear I remember some scene where House commented that Cuddy and Wilson usually have lunch together on some specific day of the week. I could be misremembering though.
Edited Date: 2014-06-08 03:13 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-06-08 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
We see so little of Wilson outside the bubble that encloses him and House that sometimes I wonder whether he exists outside House's imagination. We see the fellows' families and are drawn into their petty private problems, we meet House's parents and non-parents, we meet Cuddy's family, but other than Amber (whom Wilson met through House) and one cameo appearance by Bonnie, we see no one from his private life. (Danny is off-screen -- he probably doesn't exist either. And come to think of it, only House sees Bonnie ...)

Date: 2014-06-08 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taiga13.livejournal.com
I remember when the show started some critic arguing, pretty convincingly, that Wilson was indeed just a product of House's imagination. And it came out after the show ended that if they had done another season the writers suggested that very idea to David Shore, revealing that Wilson was imaginary, and he rejected it. I know he wasn't imaginary but the TPTB really did treat him as if he didn't exist when House wasn't present.

Date: 2014-06-09 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
the writers suggested that very idea to David Shore, revealing that Wilson was imaginary, and he rejected it.
Well, thank goodness for that! At the end they had a lot of very, very bad ideas.

Date: 2014-06-09 05:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barefootpuddles.livejournal.com
ETA now that you mention it I swear I remember some scene where House commented that Cuddy and Wilson usually have lunch together on some specific day of the week. I could be misremembering though./i>

Yes, I recall that too. It came out that they have lunch every Tuesday.

Date: 2014-06-08 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
And I just read a quote from ST:TNG that puts it in even more perspective:

Hugh: Are you ever…lonely?
Geordi: Sometimes. But that’s why we have friends.
Hugh: Friends?
Geordi: Sure. Someone you can talk to. Who you can be with when you’re lonely. Who makes you feel better.

By that light, Cuddy is definitely a friend to Wilson (other than the Tritter arc) -- when Wilson gets off his butt to approach her instead of hiding away.

Date: 2014-06-08 07:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
my issue with it is that I didn't see Cuddy ever really do anything for Wilson.
Correct me if I got you wrong, but your argumentation so far has been:
1. Cuddy helping Wilson seems unmotivated and thus ooc for their relationship.
2. It seems unmotivated because so far we've seen no greater sacrifice on her part that shows that she cares.
3. If she cared, she'd have shown it by doing something for Wilson.

That means that basically there's nothing Cuddy can do to show that she cares, because the first thing she does for him must, according to your argumentation, always be unmotivated and out of character.

You're not going to get affection for Wilson from Cuddy in her inner thoughts, because when people are stressed, they don't think, "Oh, I love him so much; how am I going to help him?" They think, "Oh my God, I've got a work assessment coming up, kid is sick, the toilet is blocked and the plumber isn't answering my calls, MIL is coming next week and she'll criticise everything, and now of all times my best friend has to have a melt-down!" I also don't see many H/W fics around where they ponder about their affection. It's a given that the reader is meant to fill that in for him/herself. A reader who doesn't do that isn't going to understand what motivates those two either.

You may not consider the canon incidents where Cuddy shows that she likes and respects Wilson as sufficient evidence, but your interpretation of what you saw there as something she'd do for anyone isn't sufficient motivation for me to write scenes that will convince you of the opposite. I didn't see any canon evidence that Cuddy would do more for the nanny or any other person than give them the time of day; she certainly wasn't inclined to listen to anyone who gave her advice. And maybe you'd hug strangers and Cameron would hug strangers, but we don't ever see Cuddy hugging patients or their families. You can always find explanations why Cuddy's behaviour in canon or in my fic could mean anything but friendship, but those explanations don't really fit someone who is as intrinsically self-centred as Cuddy is. Your interpretation of canon is as valid as mine, but you've got to be in the clear that if you don't accept my interpretation as valid, then everything I write based on my interpretation will either seem ooc to you or unmotivated. If I watch House MD without slash goggles, then each and every H/W fic with slash in it is going to be unrealistic, because there is no explicit slash between House and Wilson in canon and someone who chooses to ignore the subtext can do so without any problems! (I didn't notice the subtext myself until I started reading fanfic during S5 ... Just saying'. ) I'd think twice, however, before going over to a H/W writer and saying that I don't get their characters' motivation, just because slash goggles aren't my thing.

Date: 2014-06-08 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
Oh dear. I must have come across as implying something I didn't mean to. I am not in any way asking you to change your fic, nor do I think it is out of character. Just because I want something different for Wilson doesn't mean it would make any sense whatsoever for him to get it. And just because I don't see something doesn't mean it isn't there. Taiga gave a great rundown of when Cuddy had opportunities in canon to step up for Wilson and when she didn't that pointed out things I'd mentally glossed over.

Specifically, I am sorry for the impression that I thought "Cuddy helping Wilson seems unmotivated and thus ooc for their relationship"; I don't think their personalities or relationship seem out-of-character in this fic. If Cuddy takes on a problem, she fixes it. So once she's made the decision to help Wilson, she's going to do it. I am despairing over Cuddy's self-centeredness because it is so very much in character. I am also not judging her for it, because House and Wilson are each very self-centered as well (although through different mechanisms).

Date: 2014-06-08 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
Ah okay, thank you for clarifying that.

Just because I want something different for Wilson doesn't mean it would make any sense whatsoever for him to get it.
I don't believe that Cuddy can replace House, if that's what you mean. She can provide stable surroundings, day-to-day support (airport drop-offs and pick-ups, organising medical consultations, etc.), a comforting shoulder, and family -- things that House can't provide. What she can't do is challenge Wilson or question the assumptions on which he bases his actions, because she doesn't think outside boxes. If Wilson weren't in an existential crisis, then maybe what Cuddy can offer would suffice, but it isn't necessarily what he wants. If it were, I'm pretty sure he could have got it much earlier.

am despairing over Cuddy's self-centeredness because it is so very much in character. I am also not judging her for it, because House and Wilson are each very self-centered as well
I agree with all of that. Practically everyone who is reading this fic is tearing their hair out over one or other of the characters and it was the same with The Kelpie.

Date: 2014-06-08 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
For Wilson, I want someone who will verbalize that they care about him, the real him, as much as he cares about other people. Well, really, what I want is for Wilson to care about himself, to see his own worth, but he's not able to do that unless he has external validation. I see from talking to you and re-reading, that Cuddy is doing that as much as she can, but it doesn't sink in. You really have to whap Wilson in the face with your regard in order for him to feel it. He needs the tell and the show. :(

Date: 2014-06-09 06:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barefootpuddles.livejournal.com
For Wilson, I want someone who will verbalize that they care about him, the real him, as much as he cares about other people.

This whole discussion reminds me of the "languages of love" thing that has been making its way around my facebook (and maybe yours as well). Seems people dominantly express love in one or two of five ways - quality time, words, gifts, acts of service, or touch. House seems to use quality time the most while Wilson appears to be words. Cuddy is acts of service. These are the people who drive you to the airport as an expression of their affection. For me this is how she comes off in this fic towards Wilson. She might never verbalize her caring any more than House would because they don't speak that 'love language'. When House cares about you spends time with you, when Cuddy cares for you she makes sure you have the bereavement leave paperwork you need is processed correctly.

Date: 2014-06-09 06:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
This whole discussion reminds me of the "languages of love" thing
Yes, I've heard of that and can subscribe to it to some extent. I fully agree with your assessment of Cuddy. I'd expand it to include 'acts of service' for House -- his acts just aren't the kind the recipients can fully appreciate. (I'm thinking of drugging Wilson to hold his speech.) And I'm not sure about Wilson and words. Yes, he says things, but they are more an expression of his worry than affirmations. He rarely tells House that he's doing well, and when he does, it's qualified approval. ("You're doing well -- by your standards.") IMO he's more the 'quality time' type. He spends any amount of time with House to the detriment of his other relationships (S2: meeting up with House in a bar when he's supposed to be having dinner with his wife and some guests). And when he and House get together again in S5, there's no apology, nothing. Instead, Wilson spends time with him even as he pretends not to care.

Date: 2014-06-09 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barefootpuddles.livejournal.com
I'd expand it to include 'acts of service' for House -- his acts just aren't the kind the recipients can fully appreciate.

It could be his second area, it seems most people have two areas that are stronger than the others, but there is a caveat here. The concept in general is that people express love to others in the way they would want it, not in the way the other person would want it (hence the problem many relationships have). So, while House definitely wants Wilson to spend time with him, does House wants acts of services directed towards him? Maybe, but I don't see that as clearly. Though as you suggest he is so unconventional in his acts so maybe his idea of service would be totally different.

What led me to think Wilson is words is because he wanted House to tell him he loves him. I also thinks all his lectures are his own twisted little form of affection. I bet he never lectured his wives. ;)




Date: 2014-06-09 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
The concept in general is that people express love to others in the way they would want it, not in the way the other person would want it
I don't think I agree with the first part of that sentence. I tend to believe that people express love to others in the way they are best able to do it and according to what they believe the other person wants. Obviously, their perception of what other people want is coloured by their own preferences, but I know people who cook for other people because they cook well and know that others enjoy their cooking. They assume that others will interpret cooking as an act of love, but they don't expect the objects of their affection to cook for them or even do acts of service for them. (Parent-child relationships tend to work that way. Needless to say, children don't see cooking as an expression of love, but as a parental duty ...) And if fan fiction is to be trusted, then many women expect gifts as an expression of love, but wouldn't really think of expressing their own love through gifts. Touch may be the exception in that people who don't want to be touched are unlikely to express affection through hugs, but that may be because it's impossible to touch someone without being touched yourself.

So, while House definitely wants Wilson to spend time with him, does House wants acts of services directed towards him?
I think that House is perceptive enough not to expect things others can't give and selfish enough to take everything he can get. I think he wants quality time from Wilson while he could do very well without the accompanying words, but he's aware that Wilson's words express his love, so he puts up with it. I think he'd rather have acts of service -- he's quick to eat everything that Wilson is so foolish as to leave within his radius of destruction -- but if Wilson were to give gifts, he'd adapt to that too.

What led me to think Wilson is words is because he wanted House to tell him he loves him.
My problem with that is that their relationship functioned just fine without verbal protestations for, what, twenty years? before Wilson suddenly needed words. The previous times their relationship was seriously stressed (Tritter, Amber's death, S7 finale) it wasn't because of anything House didn't say, it was because of something House did or was perceived to have done. In all three cases I don't think there's anything House could have said that would have made things better for Wilson. In the Vogler arc, both are convinced that no matter what House says, he'll always act the same way, so his words are of no significance for their relationship. For me, Wilson's desire for verbal protestations came out of the blue. It wasn't something I expected given what I'd seen of him so far. As such, I consider it an anomaly, not his normal mode.
Edited Date: 2014-06-09 09:22 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-06-09 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
what I want is for Wilson to care about himself, to see his own worth, but he's not able to do that unless he has external validation.
I'm not sure I see Wilson that way, but even if you are right, I don't think that the solution to his self-esteem problems lies in giving him what he wants, but in making him see the mechanisms that cause him to seek external validation in certain forms. From there, it's not such a big step to accepting himself as he is and being able to accept validation in any form. If he is reduced to surrounding himself with people who are prepared to flood him with verbal and non-verbal feedback, then his world grows that much smaller, and it certainly excludes House.

Date: 2014-06-07 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
On the subject of House & Wilson's relationship, our difference may be on the power and potency of "like." To me, "like" is a separate but no less powerful emotion than love. I am 100% in agreement that Wilson loves House in canon and this fic, and that House loves Wilson in canon (getting there in this fic). But the joy in them comes from liking each other: active delight in the other's actions and words.

House doesn't like very many people, but Wilson is interesting. Wilson likes more people than House does(although I suspect he pretends to like more people than he actually does), but no one challenges or enlivens him the way House does.

There are people in my life who I love and don't like (by which I mean am "eh" toward vs. disliking them); I support them, comfort them, but don't go out of my way to hang around them. I certainly wouldn't spend thousands of dollars and dozens of hours of travel to hang around them.

Date: 2014-06-08 05:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taiga13.livejournal.com
I enjoy Cuddy/Wilson actually, so I'm enjoying this story. I wished that on the show we got more of the two of them separate from House, just hanging out (in my imagination they were an unbeatable tennis team) or working together to pwn the hospital board.

Date: 2014-06-06 11:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yarroway.livejournal.com
Dee makes an interesting point about Cuddy. It seems to me that the point of view in this fic is slightly removed from the characters, so we don't often get their feelings at first hand. If we can judge by actions, then Cuddy does care.

I don't know what Lucas did in Kelpie, but I like him here. I'm so glad you gave him a happy life.

Date: 2014-06-06 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
It seems to me that the point of view in this fic is slightly removed from the characters, so we don't often get their feelings at first hand.
I try to avoid having them analyse their own feelings if it isn't something they would do in the given situation, although I do slip up every now and then. I'll leave it to the readers to form their own opinion of the depth of Cuddy's involvement. Besides, I think it's possible to care for or love or respect someone without necessarily liking them, and I don't think any emotion is a fixed entity. Emotions change over time or as a result of concrete events.

I don't think Lucas is a particularly 'nice' person in many ways -- in canon he resorted to blackmail on a regular basis, not to mention the small matter of assault and damage to personal property. He did, however, seem a 'family' kind of person with few demands on a relationship. I think he'd thrive in a suburban two-point-five-kids-and-dog scenario.

In The Kelpie Lucas figured out that Cuddy was in contact with House, which got him worried for Cuddy, so he dropped in on House and warned him off, underscoring the message by trashing House's apartment and dropping off a timely hint to the police to do a narcotics raid in a bar where House met up with his drug dealer. That didn't endear him to House or to most of my readers, but I'm inclined to believe that if their roles had been reversed and House had warned off a former abuser of Cuddy's in that manner, he would have been considered chivalrous. The truth tends to lie in the eye of the beholder.
Thanks for commenting.

Date: 2014-06-07 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] menolly-au.livejournal.com
dropping off a timely hint to the police to do a narcotics raid in a bar

Lucas denies that though - the little weasel ;)

Date: 2014-06-08 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
Lucas denies that though - the little weasel ;)
He did, didn't he? But then, why admit to something that no one can prove and that'll make Cuddy bite his head off?

Date: 2014-06-08 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yarroway.livejournal.com
One of the things I am enjoying about this fic is that you have created a cross-genre piece. It's about a group of people rather than a couple, but there are couple-y things in it, and I think that's very unusual in fandom. You're doing something original here...at least in my limited experience.

I have a lot of trouble with Lucas. His personality makes no sense to me at all, and consequently my attitude towards him swings all over the place depending on context.

Date: 2014-06-08 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
I think that's very unusual in fandom. You're doing something original here...at least in my limited experience.
Thank you! I think there are a few fics dating from early fandom before shipping grew such a static matter, and there's Brighid's series (which is AU enough to count as OF).

I have a lot of trouble with Lucas. His personality makes no sense to me at all
I agree with you. His S5 persona doesn't have much in common with what we see in S6. I enjoy writing him, though, probably because I felt sorry for his character during S6. It didn't seem fair that he never really stood a chance against House, not because House was nicer, but because this was a show about House. Had the show been called Douglas PI, things would have ended very differently ;-)

Date: 2014-06-07 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taiga13.livejournal.com
"Sure," Lucas said. "See, I don't expect perfection. That's why I'm happy and you're always striving."
If she'd ever regretted dumping Lucas in favour of a relationship that had had a sell-by date printed on it, that feeling vanished at his words. She'd almost forgotten that Lucas's teddy bear demeanour and his family man aura covered a vindictive streak a mile long.

I have to smirk at that, because what Lucas said to her is exactly what House said to her back in S2. And that was him trying to be KIND.

Date: 2014-06-07 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
what Lucas said to her is exactly what House said to her back in S2
Ah, that's where it came from. I had a bad feeling that I might unwittingly have yanked it from some other fic, because 'striving' isn't really part of my standard vocabulary. If Lucas sounded like House then that's great, because I tend to perceive Lucas as 'House-lite' -- all the additives without the substance. Thanks for commenting.

Date: 2014-06-08 03:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taiga13.livejournal.com
Oh no you didn't "yank" it because House phrased it completely differently than you/Lucas did. From the transcript: "Cuddy... you see the world as it is and you see the world as it could be. What you don’t see is what everybody else sees. The giant, gaping chasm in between... If you did, you never would have hired me.. You’re not happy unless things are just right. Which means two things. You’re a good boss. And you’ll never be happy."

Date: 2014-06-08 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
Yes, I remember that scene and pretty much build my characterisation of Cuddy from it. I'm thinking that I may have yanked Lucas's statement from one of Stenveny's fics. Problem is, she has written so many that finding it and crediting her (speak: apologising) would take some time and effort.

Date: 2014-06-08 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taiga13.livejournal.com
Sorry I misunderstood.

Date: 2014-06-09 06:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barefootpuddles.livejournal.com
I am so glad that House got Wilson to agree to start treatment. I wonder if you are planning to have this bit go the same way that canon went?

I am enjoying your little gang of four (Rachel included). They make an interesting grouping of personalities. I have always been a fan of Cuddy, and she can sometimes be underrepresented in the H/W community fanfiction (and sadly not always represented well when she shows up) so I am so glad to see a multidimensional representation here.

Date: 2014-06-09 06:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
I wonder if you are planning to have this bit go the same way that canon went?
You mean, with the tumour not shrinking and Wilson's death implied as a long-term consequence? :) We'll see. I'm keeping as much of canon as I can, but I'm changing the bits where I didn't get the characters' motivation or considered their actions ooc. And although Cuddy may appear central to what is happening due to the 'on-screen' time she has, she's more of a catalyst to keep things going.

I am enjoying your little gang of four (Rachel included). They make an interesting grouping of personalities.
Thank you. I'm aiming for the feel of older fan fiction that often included anybody and everybody with no regard for shipping boundaries, because those didn't exist as yet.

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