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 I read the Liz Friedman interview that Barbara Barnett posted and found it very insightful. Read the interview here. Some things, such as the way the writers work on an episode were new to me. Some of the thoughts they had on the characters, how they saw the break-up, etc. were interesting, because they partly mirrored mine. In some instances there were, of course, divergences. I did have two points of criticism, both not so much in matters of content (which is a matter of taste, I guess), but in the manner of the writing process itself.

Character Continuity

House MD is a show that prides itself on showing how people interact with their surroundings. It sets on character exposition and development, one of their main creeds being, according to Liz Friedman, that characters don't change in a major way. As such, it must be the aim of the show to achieve character continuity, and if a character does change, there has to be a valid explanation for it. There can't be inexplicable jumps in behaviour or actions that violate what we know of the characters.

This is, however, an aspect that is being violated by the writing process as described by Ms Friedman. Writers are apparently given an aim for an episode and left to their own devices on how to achieve it. If they work as a team, there are at least two of them discussing what a character is like, but all too often a single writer is responsible. Now I don't doubt that the writers discuss a lot of things in bigger meetings, but there doesn't seem to be anyone who has an overview over what has been decided for certain characters. There seems to be no basic standard to which everyone sticks, a sort of blueprint of each character that may not be violated.

Take for instance the episode 'Two Stories'. We are shown a House who has to 'try tremendously hard to do simple things like taking out the trash or not using [Cuddy's] toothbrush', according to Ms Friedman. Ah, so House is a bit of a slob. It's possible. In theory. There's a lot of fanfic that works with that premise. Unfortunately, there has been no evidence so far to support this character trait, but quite a bit to refute it. Whenever we have seen House's apartment from the inside, it has not been in a huge mess. His bathroom has always been pristine. His coffee table is cluttered, but it is not a rubbish dump. There are no left-overs lying around, the trash is not piling up. (Anyone who is a 'messy' themselves or has a teen in their household will appreciate that House doesn't come anywhere near qualifying for the epithet.) When he was living with Wilson, Wilson started a fight with Sam because he thinks she put cups on the coffee table without coasters, put the milk in the wrong place and loaded the dishwasher inefficiently. Would Wilson even have noticed if House had been causing the kind of mess that he was making at Cuddy's place? Would he not have attributed these things to House straight away? Would he be bothered at all after being subjected to House's mess for over half a year?

Now if House MD were a sitcom the question of character continuity wouldn't matter. Sitcom characters don't have to make sense, they have to be funny. If the sloppiness were a trait that is irrelevant to the plot (as it was till now) it wouldn't matter either. Unfortunately, the question of whether he can clean up his own mess or not has become a central issue with the aforementioned episode. Before I watched the episode I had decided in my mind that House was no Mr Messy based on the evidence I cited. So when I watched 'Two Stories' I came to the conclusion that House is no overtaxed stereotype male, but a compulsive teen who needs to see just how far he can bend Cuddy before she breaks. Teens are like that - they do (or don't do) a lot of stuff because they need to see whether they can get away with it. Now teens can be made to see sense - it's hard work and a challenge, but it can be done. Slobs are a different issue and it probably isn't worth the bother. If House is a troublesome teen who overdoes the provocation bit, both Cuddy's reaction ('I need time off from you') and House's attempts to right matters make sense to me (teens can be wonderfully contrite once they realise they've broken you). If not, if he's just a slob, then the thing to do is to figure out how to work around it - tell him that if he can't get rid of his own mess he'll have to pay someone to do it or whatever - but slamming phones on his fingers doesn't get anyone anywhere.

I'm sure that whoever wrote the episode was thinking along the lines that Ms Friedman depicts - after all, they will have been discussing episodes that close together with each other. Hence my interpretation was erroneous. But - my erroneous interpretation was based on solid facts as seen in previous episodes; the writer's assumption that House is a slob is based on nothing. And this is where I lose patience with the show. I'm not asking for much: a basic knowledge of previous episodes; that he writers sit down together to discuss each other's scripts and to figure out whether the new script fits into canon or not; someone who keeps track of canon. As I see matters, either the writers are paid so much that one can reasonably expect them to have an overview of what has taken place so far, both in terms of timeline and character development, as part of their job description, or they are paid so little that one can carve another job out of the huge budget that House MD commands for some poor would-be writer whose only job it would be to ensure continuity. I don't care whether Wilson's time line defies the theory of relativity or whether Cuddy's sister has an everyday name and another one for special occasions, but if there is something that becomes an issue for a character, such as House's pain or now his homemaking skills, then if the show wants to keep its claim to being a character-based show, it sorely needs to buckle up.

Character Credibility

If the lack of character continuity is carelessness, then a lack of character credibility is a sign of thoughtlessness. I frequently have the feeling that the writers make characters do things that advance the plot without fully anticipating the impact on the viewers. The action causes the viewers to attribute some intention to the character that the writers perhaps never intended. At that moment the writers may not care much, because creating tension, drama, and angst has priority. But many viewers take these actions very seriously and incorporate them indelibly in their view of that character.

Take for instance Wilson leaving House in a pool of vomit in 'A Merry Little Christmas'. In all probability we were meant to see a man at the end of his rope, despairing of his friend ever making the right decision and deciding that his friend would have to deal with the consequences of his own actions. Unfortunately (again), there are a lot of viewers who happen to know that from a medical point of view, leaving someone who has OD'd lying in his own vomit is somewhere between 'failure to render assistance' and 'homicide'. In most countries either is a criminal offence, and a doctor who leaves someone in that state can't plea ignorance, as you and I perhaps could. As I said, I doubt that was the intention. From the writers' pov Wilson had to leave so that House would make his way to Tritter of his own volition - an important point, because we're supposed to see that House has come to his senses and is not acting solely because Wilson is bullying him. However, by not considering the moral and legal consequences of their story arc for Wilson, they sabotaged Wilson's character.

It's the same with Cuddy at the end of 'Bombshells'. Her decision to dump House can be admired or despised, depending on where one is coming from. (I happen to accept it as a rationally good decision, but I reject it on moral grounds. I'm sure there are as many opinions as there are viewers.) What no viewer, regardless of where he or she comes from, has condoned so far is Cuddy leaving House alone after dumping him, although she knows that he's got vicodin and that he is likely to be devastated enough to take it. It's marginally better than what Wilson did - House hasn't taken anything yet and there's no sign that he'll OD -but that's about it. Now this is something that neither Ms Friedman nor Ms Barnett consider worth mentioning when they discuss Cuddy's behaviour. Maybe they simply didn't see it. But others did. Ms Friedman, who wrote the episode, should have seen it, but if she did, she decided to ignore it because if she hadn't, she would have had to forgo that wonderful final scene where House sits in the bathroom like at the end of 'Help Me' hoping that Cuddy will come back and 'save' him. Having Cuddy call Wilson or Nolan and one of them arriving would have been a tad too shallow and undramatic, so the writer duo basically sacrificed the credibility of a supporting character (once again) just to keep their plot angsty and dramatic. Whether they intended it or not, Cuddy abandoning House to relapse is now an indelible part of canon that cannot be rescinded.

A third instance, is House intending to use his CIPA patient as an illegal organ donor. What he does - suggesting a dangerous procedure that could impair her health severely - simply to benefit himself is no better than what people who buy illegal organs from third world countries do. Actually, it's worse. People who buy livers or kidneys are usually dying; House isn't. House finally allows Wilson to dissuade him from his course of action, but so what? He intended to do it and he would have done it, had his team and Wilson not run massive interference. How does this fit with the man who puts patient well-being first, who decides to abort a working pain management regime (methadone) because its mellowing side-effects endangered a patient of his? Few viewers seem to have noticed the moral implications of House's deeds in that episode - it is rarely cited as an instance of House's lack of values - but whenever I think of that episode I quail inwardly: a doctor taking advantage of a patient's helpless situation, and the patient a minor at that, for his own gain. Morally it puts him in the same league as Ezra Powell, the cancer researcher who experimented on children without informing the parents of the risks. Had the writers intended that? I don't know. Perhaps they really did, but somehow I have the feeling that the person who wrote the episode (a) didn't have a particularly well-tuned moral antenna and (b) was not supervised sufficiently.

House MD portrays a man's search for truth. If that search is meant to be credible to the audience, then writers and producers need to sit down together and define a few core truths on which they base the series.

Date: 2011-03-12 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tauwja.livejournal.com
Well said, I completely agree with you. I hope there's some way TPTB might read this too, although I doubt it would matter much at this point.

Date: 2011-03-12 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com

I doubt it would matter much at this point.

So do I. It annoys me because that's a show with one heck of a budget, but they have serious work organisation issues of a kind that any company that has to sell real products can't afford to have. If my car had the kind of issues that this show has I'd be dead by now.

Date: 2011-03-12 08:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] flywoman.livejournal.com
What can I say? I agree with you - House has never been a slob, just a provocateur. Wilson walking out on his friend and patient was a criminal act, no matter how much reason he had to feel fed up. Cuddy going to House's place to break up with him and then leaving him there alone to resort to who knows what self-destructive behavior isn't much better. House scheming to take advantage of his CIPA patient was ridiculous and insulting to those of us who do believe in his "deeply buried humanity" based on precedent.

Carelessness with character continuity infuriates me, and I agree that sometimes it seems like the writers are just trying to deliver the most dramatic episode possible without considering whether the actual characters, as previously established, would behave in particular ways. I suppose that they can get away with it because the various writers on the show have held, and depicted them based on, such different perspectives that they can always point back to SOMETHING to say, Oh, but s/he did something similar in that episode!

Personally, I feel like only the first season of the show really stands out from the rest in this respect. The characters are painstakingly introduced, critical aspects of their backgrounds sketched out, their beliefs and M.O.s made clear. Then starting with Season 2, it was like DS et al stepped back and said, "Hey, we did it! We have a hit show! Let's loosen up and see how far we can run with it!" And don't get me wrong - lots of episodes from subsequent seasons are great, and most have at least brilliant bits. But I don't think they ever achieve the same kind of integrity again.

Date: 2011-03-12 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
I think the people in charge are losing interest. Why the hell was an new writer let loose on 'Knight Fall' with no one double and triple checking what he'd written? Why the hell, if he chooses to do Wilson background, doesn't he check in old transcripts what is canon to date? That is so sloppy and unprofessional that I can't believe that people are getting PAID for it. That would be fine if they were producing clips for YouTube, but we're talking one of the best-paying series in the world here. No matter whether they are interested or not, I think that their customers have the right to quality products. We're getting good products, but not the best, and that irks me.

I agree with you on your assessment of Season 1. There people had good ideas and thought them through to the end. After that it was more of a, "What can we do to keep the show running?" and not so much, "What would be the next logical step?"

Liz Friedman Interview

Date: 2011-03-12 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] housedailydose.livejournal.com
I'm hoping that it is acceptable to you that I have posted your thoughts in their entirety on this interview on HDD.

Your thoughts are not only insightful, thought provoking,clearly and respectfully presented, but express what many in the [H} fandom are feeling.

I was very impressed with the piece and have given all due/owing credit to you. I hope that everyone has an opportunity to read these well presented thoughts and by doing so, has greater clarity about this season, the writing process and character development.

Thank you!

Re: Liz Friedman Interview

Date: 2011-03-12 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
Fine with me. Thanks for your praise.

Date: 2011-03-12 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flippet.livejournal.com
Excellent analysis.

I think that whether or not we're able to express it this well, this is what is bothering most of the fans/viewers at this point. This is what we have consensus on. I've seen shippers and non-shippers alike rather annoyed at this episode (and everything leading up to it - these problems have been building for a while now, as you noted, they've just come to a nasty head and burst).

I don't think we'd be as upset if they didn't do so many things well. But it's confusing for them to do a lot of amazing things - and then let basic character continuity fall into the toilet. (The sister's name thing - holy COW, that should have been caught long before it was. It wasn't that long ago that the sister was mentioned and named...and perhaps the ep writer can be cut some slack for not knowing it, but the script's got to go through a chain of command eventually, right? You're saying that that no one thought 'hey wait a minnit...let me go look this up'? And that's not even a particularly important issue, story-wise...it just highlights the utter carelessness that appears to be expressing itself more and more.)


I also wish the writers/showrunners would stop to understand this. That it's not just 'oh, fans just want kissy-face, and they can't understand what goes into making a good dramatic story'. We *do* understand it, which is why we're so frustrated.

Date: 2011-03-12 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
Actually, I liked the episode as such very much. It's my favourite of the season, and if Hugh Laurie doesn't get an Emmy for it then they might as well abolish the award. But that doesn't alter the fact that there is some very sloppy organisation and writing going on in that show. They get by with it because they are a brilliant crew, but they 'can do better' and like Cuddy we have a right to that. They just need to impose a few rules and structures on themselves (yes, it's unpleasant and it usually causes more work, especially at the beginning), then they wouldn't make stupid little mistakes that annoy people no end. If I were paid for writing for that show, I'd be mortified if I were caught in a major factual mistake like the sister's name. Character continuity mistakes are obviously much harder to prove, but I nevertheless believe that we've been subjected to those, too. After all, if the writers can't keep track of their characters' names, are they likely to remember their likes and dislikes?

Date: 2011-03-12 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flippet.livejournal.com
I liked the episode as well - though there were problems. The things that Liz and Sara seemed to be gushing over, the dream sequences etc - I *did* like those, and they do have a right to be proud of them.

But like you said, the structure is all over the map, and the seams are showing.

Date: 2011-03-12 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabouluz.livejournal.com
Can I post this on the house_cuddy livejournal community? i think every House fan should read this, since there is a lot of truth too it.

Date: 2011-03-12 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
Umm, isn't the link to it there already in the Liz Friedman interview thread? But feel free to post it. (I'd suggest an lj-cut though - I got a bit carried away.)

Date: 2011-03-12 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabouluz.livejournal.com
Thanks! The whole idea of lack of character credibility is something I never thought of before, good points.

Date: 2011-03-12 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maya295.livejournal.com
Thank you! thank YOU!!

every example you chose to illustrate your point is spot on. And most of all, I really appreciate the objectivity in it, as you (intentionally?) chose not to solely focus on one character.

so very well done!

I wish Liz Friedman, and every writer about to pen the upcoming episodes would give it a look! Writing can be a selfish, self-rewarding process, but at some point writing - especially with for an audience that large - must be about giving and sharing, and that requires to have respect, for what you write, as well as for whom you're writing it for...


you are my favorite rat in the House lab... :-)
Edited Date: 2011-03-12 09:36 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-03-12 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com

Thanks. I didn't focus solely on one character because it's an ongoing problem. They do it with the team, too.

that requires to have respect, for what you write, as well as for whom you're writing it for

Well, I'm a bit less idealistic than you, but I do expect people to do what they are paid for.



Date: 2011-03-12 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maya295.livejournal.com
I guess that's enough good a reason to begin with!! :)

Date: 2011-03-12 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tanyarej (from livejournal.com)
those are really good points that you mentioned! i understand it all better now...and I completely agree! everyone writing the show´s episodes should do better work!I am really deeply disappointed at some of their lame moves!

Date: 2011-03-12 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
Glad to have been of help.

Date: 2011-03-12 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] switman.livejournal.com
Your article was brilliant and right on point. Thank you for sharing.

Date: 2011-03-13 12:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tree
How does this fit with the man who puts patient well-being first,

house does not put patient well-being first. he puts the diagnosis first. patients are basically incidental to him, as evidenced by (a) his lack of interaction with them and (b) his willingness to put them through dangerous, painful, potentially deadly, and usually unnecessary procedures and/or treatments.

the argument that the show has always put forth, and that the character has voiced several times, is that he can solve the cases other doctors can't precisely because he's not concerned with the patients.

Date: 2011-03-13 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
Very good point. Yet we are often shown a House who gets upset at others, patients' parents specifically, when they don't fulfill the duty that comes with their parental role, e.g. the parents in 'A Merry Little Christmas'. There are mixed messages being sent by the writers, and again, I believe that is because there is no basic consensus on House's morals. They all agree that he doesn't conform to social mores or standards, but his take on ethics seems to vary from writer to writer.

Date: 2011-03-13 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barefootpuddles.livejournal.com
A very insightful post - as always. I agree with nearly everything you said, only feeling perhaps stronger or less strong on certain issues you touched on, but I feel you really captured the underlying disquiet of the fan base regardless of shipping. There are serious issues with consistency and that comes from varying writers viewpoints being inconsistent with one another. That seems almost like an insurmountable flaw in a series like this one.

A few thoughts on parts of your post and a few added thoughts of my own:

leaving someone who has OD'd lying in his own vomit is somewhere between 'failure to render assistance' and 'homicide'.

The bluntness of this made me laugh. Of course you are correct, but this actually is the type of thing that bothers me least. The entire world of House is totally exaggerated. Outside of Houseland that level or sexism and racism would get you sued, the medical ethics violations would cost your license, the break ins and soap star kidnapping would get you jailed, and the pranks that involve cane sawing, trip wires and exploding toilets would leave you friendless. So I give Wilson and Cuddy a pass for homicide. What I think gets me the most is that what both did - besides being homicidal - was cruel. Wilson sometimes is cruel to be fair, but I hadn't ever seen that before with Cuddy, and it felt wrong.

I don't care whether Wilson's time line defies the theory of relativity or whether Cuddy's sister has an everyday name and another one for special occasions,

See, this drive me bonkers. It is laziness at best, and at worst it is telling fans, "Hey, you know those characters YOU love? Well, we don't really care if our timeline suggests that Wilson attended med school alongside preschool." A sleepy, drive by fan can point out that sort of error, so why can't anyone on staff? Anyone? Maybe the actors, the writers, the directors, or producers, or the lighting guy? Come on people - hire a fan and pay them in autographs for goodness sake. And then one of the producers has the audacity to make a DVD extra piece to talk about how they are so careful about setting each camera angle perfectly and every chess piece reflects the window glare correctly and then this is the SAME show that has House going to possibly three med schools, Wilson married to two women simultaneously, Cuddy's sister having two names, and a main character who in one episode can't lean weight on his leg and in another steps off a chair directly onto the leg. Sheesh!

(to be continued - sorry for the length of this!)

Date: 2011-03-13 04:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barefootpuddles.livejournal.com
If the lack of character continuity is carelessness, then a lack of character credibility is a sign of thoughtlessness.

Yeah, the first one is annoying and the second though is what makes some episodes so aggravating to the dedicated fan.

I think they play havoc with the characters all the time, and reading this interview allowed me to sees why - different writers view the characters differently. That really, really can't work. Once someone on the show bragged they there was no "House bible", but they really need one. Something or someone who has insight into this character (and the others). With supporting characters it is easier to get away with because we can all just say "well I guess we didn't know them that well" which is why fanfiction stories that have Wilson as either Angel!Wilson or Dark!Wilson can both possibly work, though I have to say Wilson is second in line for vacillating between personalities. But with House it is serious character integrity issues. And it goes way beyond clean or messy (though I liked that example, I think they do that with him with his attitude towards food too). You used the example of the episode 'The Softer Side' and how patients are worth the pain. But when he was detoxing in the Tritter arc he abandoned his patient in a blackmail attempt to get Cuddy to give him more pills. So which is it, does House care more about patients or pain? The viewers have no way to know. Liz Friedman says House is not a romantic, but then he sends Stacy a "prescription for my heart" note, and lets the woman he likes in 'Frozen' go because there is a man who is in love with her in the South Pole, and he buys a corsage for Cameron and puts on his nicest blue shirt. To me that all says he is a romantic. He does this back and forth bit between 'honesty at all costs vs lying because it is easier', 'thrill seeking versus change avoidance', 'caring for his patients vs, only caring about the puzzle' and so on with a host of other things. It is probably why there are so many arguments in fandom on House's nature - because he can have so many different natures. I have suggested that he might be bipolar or have a personality disorder or something else that causes this, but now I just think it is too many different writers and no coordination. Great fun for fanfiction writers but a little disconcerting for TV viewers who care about the characters, not just the procedural element.

Sorry once again for the length of this, and thank you once again for adding to the places in this fandom to have an in depth, thoughtful, conversation.

Edited to use my annoyed Wilson icon. :)

Edited Date: 2011-03-13 04:51 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-03-13 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
No problem with the length of your comments.

(Using my 'I do not whine' Wilson icon to show that my three months and ten days of whining are now officially over and that I'll get back into my act.)

Date: 2011-03-13 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
Okay, I wasn't quite truthful when I said I don't care about factual errors - in fact, I lied. When that sort of thing happens, I sit there and curse the writers, especially if it mucks my latest fanfic up completely. But - I can get over that. When Wilson was married to whom doesn't change his character, walking out on an OD'ing House does, and that affects my enjoyment of the show and my fanfiction.

The 'Wilson walking out on OD'ing House' didn't affect me much either until another fan pointed out to me just how criminal, callous and potentially dangerous to House that was. Now there are things that the show can do because the fan base that is likely to notice how unlikely or outrageous it is happens to be very small. That's the case with most of the medical stuff. Few people know and even less care whether a certain genetic test can be done within a given time span. But people OD'ing, while being outside my experience, happens to be something a lot of people are familiar with; addicts relapsing even more so. Hence there are a lot of viewers who can judge the moral implications of those deeds. And there are also a lot of viewers who have a personal stake in this because either they or a loved one are (former) addicts. They react very sensitively to this sort of bs, and quite rightly so. A show dealing with the journey of an addict, no matter how much faux outrage they bring into it, needs to get the process of addiction and recovery right. The writers are free to sacrifice Wilson's or Cuddy's character (they are the intellectual property of House MD, not of the fandom) to the imperatives of the show, but they should be aware that they are doing so, and I'm not sure they are. Liz Friedman needs to be aware that compared to the callousness of leaving House to his own devices, the question of whether she was justified in dumping him or not becomes obsolete.

Date: 2011-03-13 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicpei.livejournal.com
Your so-well argumented, thoughtfull and balanced piece should have been tweeted to TPTB along with some others, if you are OK with it. One of the mods at House-Cuddy volunteered to do it. They need to hear why the fans are so dissatisfied with this episode, and not by hateful tweets, but by clearly stating what was wrong in this ep.
Surprisingly enough, fans from all ships and non-shippers all seem to agree that it was plainly wrong, in term of writing and, above all, with the various interviews we were given afterwards. It has much more to do with the characters shaking and the inconsistencies that seem to grow.
Reading from you is always a pleasure, and a comfort.

Date: 2011-03-13 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
Actually, I have no problem with the 'Bombshells' episode other than what it does to Cuddy's character at the end. If I were sure the writers intended to slaughter her credibility, I'd be fine with it too - she's their character, not mine. I'm not sure, though. I think they simply didn't notice.

But other than that I loved the episode. I don't have to agree with Cuddy's decision to dump House to respect it, just as I don't have to agree with House's decision to forgive Wilson and Cuddy whatever they do to him without ever bringing those issues up with them and making them reflect their behaviour. I respect his decision there, although it's probably a foolish one.

What I object to is sloppy writing and the propensity to sacrifice the show's central tenet, the search for truth, to the exigencies of TV ratings.

Date: 2011-03-13 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicpei.livejournal.com
Except for the end, Bombshells would only have been a "Meh" ep for me, if not for the interviews from the officials of the show afterwards; I am not a fan of dream sequences (I did not like No Reasons before) but it could have been worse (Whatever It Takes would be a good exemple of that).

The characters belong to their author. As a viewer, I can ask for a little consistency, though. But above all, their repeated statements that "House will always be miserable" killed the fun for me. I may not like all the stories, far from it, but I like being told and waiting for what they have got to tell me. If they say "House will always be miserable" and read me the last page of the book, I don't feel very compelled to read it.

Date: 2011-03-13 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com

If they say "House will always be miserable" and read me the last page of the book, I don't feel very compelled to read it.

Good point!

Date: 2011-03-13 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] binsoup.livejournal.com
first of all -- bravo!

with almost 150 episodes behind it, the process will only get harder for the House writers. you are right, someone has to be on top of continuity and credibility. i've always assumed this role is filled in by David Shore himself.

the adjective "game-changing" has been bandied about by the more media-visible production people of House. i've read this as a sign that the House producers are hell-bent on finding a way to keep the audience guessing about where the story is headed, what's going to happen next. this is all fine and good, because 7 years of telling the story of one character -- no matter how singular the character -- is bound to hit a plateau. they have to be reminded though that since they're the ones who built the characters, they shouldn't torpedo them for the sake of the whatever storyline they are in a haste to pursue.

Date: 2011-03-13 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
Thanks.

Personally, I think they would have done well to have stuck to the formulaic approach of the first season and the basic, none-too-well defined characters of that time. They got into trouble when they started giving everyone, not only House, back stories and made them all into screw-ups. Sticking to the same pattern would not have got them the record-breaking viewing numbers that some later episodes got, but they'd have kept a faithful fan base. In addition it would allow people who are new to the show to get into it without knowing all this backstory stuff.

And honestly, weren't Wilson, Cuddy and the team a lot more attractive to viewers in Season 1 than after Season 3? I was perfectly fine not knowing what personal issues they had, what bastards their parents were, etc.

Date: 2011-03-13 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] binsoup.livejournal.com
I think they would have done well to have stuck to the formulaic approach of the first season and the basic, none-too-well defined characters of that time.

in one their early appearances at the Paley Center, Shore and Jacods did say that they sold the show to the networks as a medical procedural, implying that they glossed over the fact that the central character of the show was not the typical television leading man. classic House was a one character-driven show masquerading as a medical procedural. each season, the supporting characters each had one or two episodes that highlighted them, but that was fine because the stories were interesting, were related to the medical case of the week, and did eventually came back to House. the medical cases were also exotic enough for majority of the viewers.

i think it was during season 4 when the first grumblings started about where the show is headed. many fans were not happy when the show sidelined the original ducklings and introduced three new characters. i'm still convinced that it would have been better if they'd gone ahead and written out the original ducklings and treated the position of House's fellows as a revolving door of fresh
characters every three years.

in the same Paley Center event that i mentioned at the start, Jacobs and Shore also discussed the Holmes/Watson inspiration for House and Wilson. i've latched on to this idea to explain the early season incarnation of Cuddy as a sort of Adlerian character - the one woman who is as cunning as House. for me House the show can afford to change the fellows every season, but House without Wilson and Cuddy would not be as interesting.

Date: 2011-03-16 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brighidsfire.livejournal.com
Excellent points as always, and agreed on all of them. Glad to see your elegant, rational thoughts and views are getting out to a larger audience who will appreciate them. :)

It is simply incomprehensible to me that a show as complex as this one doesn't have a writer's bible for timelines, names, and a very basic backstory for each of the main and recurring characters. To brag about the lack of one tells me a lot about the attitude in the writers room: they're making it up as they go along. Okay fine, do that, but KEEP TRACK OF THINGS FOR GOD'S SAKE. I've endangered the well-being of our television set on numerous occasions because of simple mistakes obviously made because no one's paying attention. On a show that prides itself for its technical brilliance, that's just crazy. The writing should match the physical production and nowadays, it just plain doesn't.

I think another mindset that's causing all sorts of problems is the idea that every story arc/cliffhanger has to be bigger than the one before it. Newer! Better! With more explosions! as they used to say on South Park. While I'm sure that's great fun for the writers and the production crew, it leaves fans bewildered and angry when characters are turned into one-dimensional cardboard cutouts to be moved around the set and made to speak lines that either get the writers out of a corner they've painted themselves into, or advances the plot without pushing the characters to move forward in any realistic way. Yeah, it looks good in the script but on screen, not so much.

IMO, first season got it right: intriguing medical mysteries, brilliant and often troubling insights into medical and personal ethos, little glimpses of character backstory, and plenty of witty snark. It worked then; it could still be working now. I'm suggesting the writers use the formula as their template and have fun experimenting. The template's been broken for several seasons now, and it really shows. Quality writing has, for the most part, been replaced with grandstanding and big crude tropes drawn with crayons.

Thanks for the brilliant comments, RR. Much appreciated. :)

Date: 2011-03-16 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com

Glad to see your ... thoughts and views are getting out to a larger audience
Hmm, yes, it's been a very double-edged sword, that one. For reasons that it took me a whole evening to figure out, the article has been instrumentalised in a campaign against the Huddy break-up. It took naive me some time to comprehend that if one writes something that is critical of the writing process at House MD and then links it to an interview that is basically about the episode 'Bombshells', then most readers will automatically assume that one's criticism is aimed at the episode and its core feature, the House/Cuddy break-up. Since that wasn't my intention and I certainly had no desire to be involved in any sort of GY hate campaign I was slightly distressed. (More than slightly, actually. I have no idea how I'd be able to look the folks at House MD in the eyes if I were ever to meet them in RL.) Anyway, I've learned for the future.

As for the show, our rate of agreement is boringly high. There's nothing in what you said that I can use as the basis for a controversial discussion. Ah well, next time ...

Date: 2011-03-16 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brighidsfire.livejournal.com
Would it help if I said I don't have a problem with what House is doing? :D

Date: 2011-03-16 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
Nope, not at all. Did I give the impression in my review of the last episode that his behaviour was bothering me in any manner? Yes, he jumped into the pool in front of Wilson's eyes, but he didn't do it to jerk Wilson around. Wilson's nerves were, unfortunately, collateral damage. But my reply to your comment on my review might just do the job :D

Date: 2011-03-16 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brighidsfire.livejournal.com
No you didn't. I was just being provocative. Or trying to be. LOL!

Honestly though, I cheered House on for most of the episode because I could see where it was leading and all I could think was, "It's about time!"

Date: 2011-03-16 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brighidsfire.livejournal.com
If you were not asked permission beforehand, your entry should not have been used to promote an agenda you don't agree with. Therefore you have the right to ask/demand that it be taken down, if you're uncomfortable with being used that way.

Quoting source ALWAYS, ALWAYS starts with asking source for permission first.



Date: 2011-03-16 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readingrat.livejournal.com
I was foolish enough to give permission, in two cases even in retrospect, not quite realising what the impact would be. And I was also so foolish as to post the link to this article in a 'Liz Friedman' thread on the Huddy forum. Actually, that's why I wrote the article - to highlight my difference in opinions without having to post comments in the thread to the tune of, 'I don't agree with you at all, because in the points that you criticise the writers are actually doing a good job. It's the points that you don't criticise that are the problem.' That's not really something you can do if you don't 'know' the people at all and they are emotionally all over the place because their favourite ship has just hit an iceberg. (Okay, it was my favourite ship too, but as a viewer I don't claim to own the characters or to know better than TPTB where they are going. I accept what the show decides and indulge my need for harmony and fluff by reading and writing fanfiction.) So my article was meant to be a subtle hint to focus on those aspects of the show that can be criticised because they can be proven, rationally and empirically, to be bad writing, and not get bogged down by things that are a matter of taste. I guess I was being too subtle.
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